. >> is itpossible, let me say, brother williams' position here that all of the critics are wrong and the website is going to start to work and we'll look back on this in six months and say, what are we scared? >> well, i think eventually, it will work for some people. they'll find a subsidized poli to their liking. that will cost a reasonable amount from their point of view for what they're getting. there are going to be winners under obama care in time. the problem for the president is the kind of negative emotions stirred as we saw so vividly with a policy cancellations for individual policies began to roll in. we got another wave of that. perhaps not. but millions of people who get employ sponsored health care are going to lose it. this means you're going to have another wave of bad news that are going to further affect people's feelings about this program. >> all right. thank you, panel. when we come back, we'll hear from pik botha, a top official who served in nelson mandela's government. he'll tell some stories you've >>> national day of prayer to honor nelson mandela. pik both